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Joe Sobran, Write-In Candidate for President, Participates in the Town-Hall Presidential Debate of October 8, 2004


QUESTION 1 TO SENATOR KERRY:
Senator Kerry, after talking with several co-workers and family 
and friends, I asked the ones who said they were not voting for 
you why. They said that you were too wishy-washy. Do you have a 
reply for them?

MR. SOBRAN REPLIES:
Senator Kerry insists that he's been consistent and decisive. This 
is dubious, when nearly the whole country has had a different 
impression, his own statements adding to the confusion. He often 
wants to have it both ways.

But the charge can be turned around. President Bush has been TOO 
consistent, refusing to change his mind in the face of mounting 
evidence (1) that the Iraq war hasn't achieved its stated purpose 
and (2) that his original justifications have been proven wrong.



QUESTION 1 TO PRESIDENT BUSH:
Mr. President, yesterday in a statement you admitted that Iraq did 
not have weapons of mass destruction, but justified the invasion 
by stating, I quote: "He retained the knowledge, the materials, 
the means, and the intent to produce weapons of mass destruction 
and could have passed this knowledge to our terrorist enemies. Do 
sincerely believe this to be a reasonable justification for 
invasion, when this statement applies to so many other countries, 
including North Korea?

MR. SOBRAN REPLIES:
Yet the president keeps insisting that Saddam "could have" 
acquired them and helped the terrorists. This is simply desperate. 
I agree with Senator Kerry that President Bush's misjudgments, to 
call them that, have made the world more dangerous. Yet Senator 
Kerry voted to give the president more war-making power, and he 
remains impenitent about this. If you authorize dictatorial power, 
you can't complain later that it was misused.



QUESTION 2 TO SENATOR KERRY:
Senator Kerry, the U.S. is preparing a new Iraq government and 
will proceed to withdraw U.S. troops. Would you proceed with the 
same plans as President Bush?

MR. SOBRAN REPLIES:
Senator Kerry keeps repeating that he'd involve "our allies" in 
the operation. Here President Bush is right, for what it's worth: 
Those allies would hardly sacrifice lives for a cause Senator 
Kerry has already rightly condemned, as they have.

The United States simply has no justification for invading Iraq in 
the first place, or for remaining there now. Iraq had nothing to 
do with the 9/11 attacks.



QUESTION 2 TO PRESIDENT BUSH:
Mr. President, my mother and sister traveled abroad this summer 
and when they got back they talked to us about how shocked they 
were at the intensity of aggravation that other countries had with 
how we handled the Iraq situation. Diplomacy is obviously 
something that we have to really work on. What is your plan to 
repair relations with other countries, given the current 
situation?

MR. SOBRAN ANSWERS:
Here, as Senator Kerry has said, President Bush's father was right. 
The president made no adequate provision for either occupying the 
country or getting out. But how could he? If centralized government 
can't work here, how can you micromanage a large territory from the 
other side of the globe? Yet President Bush and Senator Kerry both 
assume there must be a way to do it. But there is no way. The whole 
enterprise is both wrong and doomed. Its futility is underlined by 
events every day. Senator Kerry's assertion that more troops could 
succeed is as unrealistic as President Bush's impenetrable 
optimism.



QUESTION 3 TO SENATOR KERRY:
Iran sponsors terrorism and has missiles capable of hitting Israel 
and southern Europe. Iran will have nuclear weapons in two to 
three years' time. In the event that UN sanctions don't stop this 
threat, what will you do as president?

MR. SOBRAN REPLIES:
Both President Bush and Senator Kerry share the narrow view that 
the United States could and should force these states to disarm. 
This is very doubtful. Neither considers the obvious possibility 
that U.S. interventionism provokes other regimes to seek nuclear 
weapons, just as it provoked the 9/11 attacks themselves. The best 
defense is not "a good offense"; it's not to offend at all. The 
best foreign policy would be the one recommended by George 
Washington, Alexander Hamilton, and Thomas Jefferson -- to remain 
aloof from Old World wars and to rely on the shield of two oceans. 
But this wise policy, caricatured as "isolationism," has been 
abandoned by both parties, which share the premise that 
interventionism of some sort must be the premise of any American 
foreign policy.



QUESTION 3 TO PRESIDENT BUSH:
Mr. President, since we continue to police the world, how do you 
intend to maintain our military presence without reinstituting a 
draft?

MR. SOBRAN REPLIES:
Again, the question presumes that the United States must rule the 
world, and that this supposed right and duty must decide whether 
the U.S. Government should enslave young people for that purpose. 
The draft is a form of involuntary servitude, forbidden by the 
U.S. Constitution and inherently wrong. The question should be 
rephrased: Can the United States exercise tyranny abroad without 
tyrannizing its own citizens?

By the way, it follows that if there is not going to be a draft we 
can end registration for selective service, too.



QUESTION 4 TO SENATOR KERRY:
Senator Kerry, we have been fortunate that there have been no 
further terrorist attacks on American soil since 9/11. Why do you 
think this is, and if elected what will you do to assure our 
safety?

MR. SOBRAN REPLIES:
The menace of al-Qaeda has been hugely exaggerated, or there 
surely would have been further attacks by now. But they remain a 
danger as long as the United States insists on global domination, 
which antagonizes countless people around the world. U.S 
intervention may also create other enemies where there were none 
before. President Bush absurdly insists that the enemies the 
United States makes for us "hate freedom." No, they hate our 
government, which is more nearly the opposite of hating freedom. 
The U.S. Government is OUR enemy as well as theirs.



QUESTION 4 TO PRESIDENT BUSH:
Mr. President, why did you block the reimportation of safer and 
inexpensive drugs from Canada, which would have cut 40-60 percent 
off of the cost?

MR. SOBRAN REPLIES:
The U.S. Government has no constitutional authority to regulate 
drugs of any kind, from any source. The most basic problem with 
this whole debate is that both Bush and Kerry assume that the U.S. 
Government has comprehensive authority over virtually everything. 
Neither of them grasps the principle of "enumerated powers" -- 
that under the U.S. Constitution the government can claim no 
powers but those specifically delegated in the Constitution 
itself.



QUESTION 5 TO SENATOR KERRY:
Senator Kerry, you've stated your concern for the rising costs of 
health care, yet you chose a vice-presidential candidate who has 
made millions of dollars successfully suing medical professionals. 
How do you reconcile this with the voters?

MR. SOBRAN REPLIES:
What's wrong with trial lawyers as such?



QUESTION 5 TO PRESIDENT BUSH:
Mr. President, you have enjoyed a Republican majority in the House 
and Senate for most of your presidency. In that time you've not 
vetoed a single spending bill. Excluding $120 billion spent in 
Iraq and Afghanistan, there has been $700 billion spent and not 
paid for by taxes. Please explain how the spending you have 
approved and not paid for is better for the American people than 
the spending proposed by your opponent.

MR. SOBRAN REPLIES:
Right. This makes nonsense of his claim to be a conservative. 
Under President Bush's administration, Federal spending has 
reached fantastic heights. Senator Kerry is right, in a sense, to 
point out that President Bush has wasted the surplus he inherited 
from President Clinton, though that ignores the stupendous overall 
Federal debt both parties have amassed since World War Two.



QUESTION 6 TO SENATOR KERRY:
Senator Kerry, would you be willing to look directly into the 
camera and, using simple and unequivocal language, give the 
American people your solemn pledge not to sign any legislation 
that will increase the tax burden on families earning less than 
$200,000 a year during your first term?

MR. SOBRAN REPLIES:
More important, will he try to abolish existing taxes? Of course 
not. Neither President Bush nor President Kerry will even reduce 
taxes significantly. Here again, both men agree far more than they 
disagree; their rhetorical differences shouldn't obscure that 
basic fact. Both favor a Federal Government monstrously larger 
than the Framers of the Constitution contemplated.



QUESTION 6 TO PRESIDENT BUSH:
Mr. President, how would you rate yourself as an environmentalist? 
What specifically has your administration done to improve the 
condition of our nation's air and water supply?

MR. SOBRAN REPLIES:
Yet again, both men's replies showed implicit disdain for private 
property and for any limits on government power. President Bush 
boasts of all his environmentalist programs; Senator Kerry 
complains that these weren't enough.

Here Senator Kerry replies to President Bush's description of him 
as a liberal by asserting that "labels don't mean anything." Only 
a liberal would say this. Labels mean plenty; for one thing, 
liberals virtually always demand more government power, as Senator 
Kerry does. A more honest reply would have been that Senator Kerry 
isn't really much more liberal than President Bush.

Senator Kerry actually cites his votes for more and bigger 
government programs to prove he's not a liberal!



QUESTION 7 TO SENATOR KERRY:
Senator Kerry, how can the U.S. be competitive in manufacturing, 
given the wage necessary and comfortably accepted for American 
workers to maintain the standard of living that they expect?

MR. SOBRAN REPLIES:
This question contains another unchallenged premise: that the U.S. 
Government is responsible for promoting economic growth. Both 
President Bush and Senator Kerry accept this assumption; I deny 
it. We will prosper by being free, regardless of whether we 
outprosper other countries. But freedom is our right, regardless 
of its aggregate results.  Both of the major-party candidates 
merely promise that their "policies" would produce results. 
Senator Kerry is more rhetorically socialist, President Bush more 
rhetorically libertarian; but neither appeals to freedom in 
principle.



QUESTION 7 TO PRESIDENT BUSH:
President Bush, 45 days after 9/11 Congress passed the PATRIOT 
Act, which takes away checks on law enforcement and weakens 
American citizens' rights and freedoms, especially Fourth 
Amendment rights. With expansions of the PATRIOT Act and PATRIOT 
Act 2, my question to you is why are my rights being watered down 
and my citizens around me and what are the specific justifications 
for these reforms?

MR. SOBRAN REPLIES:
There is no real disagreement between the two major-party 
candidates here either, though Senator Kerry, for a change, was 
slightly more rhetorically libertarian. But instead of condemning 
"homeland security" measures on principle, he speaks only of their 
"abuses." President Bush merely denies that the "abuses" are 
serious.



QUESTION 8 TO SENATOR KERRY:
Senator Kerry, thousands of people have already been cured or 
treated by the use of adult stem cells or umbilical cord stem 
cells. However, no one has been cured by using embryonic stem 
cells. Wouldn't it be wise to use stem cells obtained without the 
destruction of an embryo?

MR. SOBRAN REPLIES:
Yet one more area the Fed Government has no "colorable pretext" 
for getting into. President Bush was more forthright, pointing out 
that embryonic stem-cell research requires the killing of live 
embryos; yet he boasted of having allowed it, and Kerry nailed him 
on the self-contradiction.



QUESTION 8 TO PRESIDENT BUSH:
Mr. President, if there were a vacancy in the Supreme Court and 
you had the opportunity to fill that position today, who would you 
choose and why?

MR. SOBRAN REPLIES:
President Bush says he'd appoint only "strict constructionists," 
who would interpret the Constitution rather than "legislate." This 
left the question why he has ignored the Constitution himself. 
Senator Kerry quoted him as saying he favored "conservative" 
justices like Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas; whereas he, 
President Kerry, would pick men and women who were "neither 
conservative nor liberal." Yet he described the people he'd seek 
entirely in liberal buzzwords: They'd be for "equality," "women's
rights," et cetera.

I would appoint only people who interpreted the Constitution with 
utter rigor, recognizing the legal right of states to secede and 
denying that the Fourteenth Amendment was properly ratified.



QUESTION 9 TO SENATOR KERRY:
Senator Kerry, suppose you were speaking with a voter who believed 
abortion is murder and the voter asked for reassurance that his or 
her tax dollars would not go to support abortion. What would you 
say to that person?

MR. SOBRAN REPLIES:
Senator Kerry waffles badly. He makes smarmy professions of his 
"deep respect" for abortion opponents and of his own Catholicism. 
But he says he had no right to "legislate an article of faith," 
showing his poor grasp of Catholic teaching on the subject, which 
is based not on faith but on natural law. He completely dodged the 
question, and President Bush, in his finest moment of the evening, 
showed him up with the blunt declaration that he would spend no 
tax money for abortions. But President Bush went on to boast of 
his administration's "maternity programs" -- which, of course, 
have no warrant in the Constitution.



QUESTION 9 TO PRESIDENT BUSH:
President Bush, during the last four years, you have made 
thousands of decisions that have affected millions of lives. 
Please give three instances in which you came to realize you had 
made a wrong decision and what you did to correct it.

MR. SOBRAN REPLIES:
Instead of answering the question, which was a gift to Senator 
Kerry, President Bush makes a perfunctory admission of fallibility 
and basically said he had no real regrets. Senator Kerry of course 
was glad to enlarge on President Bush's blunders and repeated his 
standard charges: that President Bush, instead of making war as a 
last resort, rushed into it, failing to follow his own prudent 
advice. Once again I agree with Senator Kerry's criticism, but not 
with his alternative: continuing the Iraq war and occupation with 
multinational help.



MR. SOBRAN'S CLOSING STATEMENT:

The Federal Govt must be at least stripped down to constitutional 
dimensions. The great majority of its powers are unauthorized. Not 
that even its authorized powers should be retained. Neither 
President Bush nor Senator Kerry, in fact, so much as adverted to 
the most urgent tasks facing freedom-loving Americans: repealing 
laws, abolishing taxes, and dismantling the huge apparatus of 
tyranny the U.S. Government has become.
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